This is the first edition of a new blog series in which I interview writers and ask them no more or less than twenty questions. Some of the questions are about their books and careers, but others…well, you’ll just have to read the interview and lose yourself in the insanity.
My first guest, Charlene Elsby, is a philosophy doctor and former professor working for the Canadian Government. She is the author of Hexis, Affect, and Psychros (forthcoming from CLASH Books.) Follow her on Twitter at @ElsbyCharlene
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Brett Petersen:
Ok, so first question: What is Hexis? Can you explain the concept a little bit for those who might not know?
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Charlene Elsby:
Hexis is my novel in which the narrator kills the same man ten times, once per chapter, in different spaces and in different times, and by different methods. It’s recursive, obsessive violence–credit to Lindsay Lerman for using those words.
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BP:
That’s good info, but what I meant was, what does the term “Hexis” mean? (This is still part of the first question.)
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CE:
Aha, I gotcha. “Hexis” is an ancient Greek term that Aristotle used to describe a state, disposition or habit. “Habit” is the best translation. It’s what you acquire by performing an action repeatedly. It comes up in the context of ethics, because Aristotle’s idea is that you can develop a virtuous character by performing virtuous actions repeatedly. But he recognizes it’s also possible to form a bad character by doing the wrong things. That’s where my girl is at.
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BP:
Would you consider murder, violence and serial killers to be “punk rock?” Or is that taking the concept of punk too far?
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CE:
This reminds me of Autumn Christian’s newsletter today on edgelords. The thing about being punk rock and edge lords is that if you go too far out of the establishment, you’re no longer definable in its terms. Transgression is only transgressive within the system that defines the spectrum. I might argue like Autumn did that actual murderers are just outside the system. But I have trouble maintaining that premise along with the recognition that actually, violence happens a lot, people die all the time, and it’s weird to me that we all walk around pretending that they don’t.
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BP:
What’s the craziest live concert you’ve ever attended? Any stories?
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CE:
I wish live concerts were crazy, but I can’t recall any I’ve attended that have ever gotten out of hand. There are always safeguards in place. Like in high school I was dating a singer, and his band got kicked off stage once for speaking to aggressively to the audience. Live music is pretty tame. [The] best concert [I’ve attended] was Neko Case and Nick Cave the year after 9/11.
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BP:
If you were at a live concert and the singer took a dump onstage, what would you do?
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CE:
I would just go; I roll my eyes at those sorts of shenanigans. I wouldn’t buy the merch.
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BP:
Fair enough. If a butterfly the size of a 747 aircraft landed in your driveway, what would you do?
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CE:
My first thought is to see if I can pet it. They say you’re not supposed to pet the butterflies because they’re covered in some sort of powder that helps them or the environment live, or something, but I think if one were that big, it could afford to have some of its powder jostled. I hope it’s really colourful.
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BP:
Is there some sort of sci-fi time loop shenanigans going on in Hexis? Because that’s sort of how I read it.
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CE:
If you want it there, then yes. When I wrote it, I didn’t have any particular theory in mind to explain the time disruptions. It’s just that my grasp on linear time is so tenuous that the timeline of Hexis seems plausible. Revisiting trauma is a sort of involuntary time travel.
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BP:
If you could go back in time to any era and fix something in history, what time period would you travel to and what would you fix?
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CE:
There’s a lot of theory behind this question and it assumes mechanical determinism, which I don’t endorse. My concept of time is more fatalistic; I could go back and change something, but then everything would still work out the same. Sometimes it just feels like the universe is pushing you into something that’s inevitable. That is to say, I’m not sure my time travel would have any effect on the future (present). A lot of my present actions are also ineffectual.
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BP:
If you had the option to become a goose, would you? If so, what would you do in your new goose body?
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CE:
This is an argument I used to have with my husband. He would maintain that humanity has an infinite potential to become whatever it wants, and I would argue that I will never be a goose. If I did have the option, I would want it to be temporary. I’m so used to being a human. If it weren’t temporary, I’d skip it.
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BP:
If spiders produced milk and all other milk-producing species went extinct, would you drink spider milk?
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CE:
Are almonds extinct? Because I’d drink their milk over spider milk any day.
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BP:
No, but this segues perfectly into my next question: would your world be turned upside-down if you discovered that almonds had mammary glands?
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CE:
Maybe, although with the philosophy I’m into, it’s assumed that the standard divisions between plant-animal-human aren’t as clean as people would like them to be. The question about almond mammary glands is, where would they put them, and would they ruin the texture of the almond as a whole? I’d get used to it pretty quickly.
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BP:
Why do you think it is that humans are so fussy regarding what animals should and shouldn’t be milked? (Including humans.) Why not just bottle and sell all forms of milk? #allmilkmatters
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CE:
This is nothing but habit. It was probably started just because someone at some point was thinking “milk” and looked for whatever animal was nearby. I assume the process was refined through economics, trying to get the most milk with the least effort. There’s no inherent reason you can’t milk all the animals.
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BP:
What is the most exotic form of milk you’d be willing to try?
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CE:
I would try lots of milks. I can’t predict what kinds of milk I’ll be offered in this life. Let’s go with shark. Aw fuck, they don’t even make milk. Maybe they will.
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BP:
Evolution baby! Have you ever encountered a human child with more than the average amount of teeth in their mouth. If you did, what would be your reaction?
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CE:
I was a human child with more than the average amount of teeth in my mouth. They knocked me out when I was six and pulled four of them. I still have extra teeth (I had two sets of wisdom teeth.) My reaction was to pass out and let the dentist do his work. But to get to the heart of the question, I think it’s creepy as fuck that we as humans have evolved to be severely creeped out by things that resemble humans but aren’t quite. What did that to us?
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BP:
Speaking of the uncanny valley effect, what if one morning, you woke up and your husband’s face resembled an anime character but with realistic flesh and features? Would you still try to love him or would it be time to get a divorce?
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CE:
I’d have to feel out the situation. People grow into their faces. Is he going to change? Probably. Will it prove to be a good change or a bad change? I at least have to give anime Rob a chance.
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BP:
What if he started speaking Japanese and doing ultimate attack poses?
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CE:
That would certainly reduce our common ground. My attack poses are sweet, but I can’t speak Japanese for fuck.
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BP:
What are some of your attack poses?
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CE:
“Robot giant” is when you put your arms in the air, lock your elbows, and do a sort of Frankenstein walk. Sometimes I just like to move as smoothly as possible. Mostly I just dance and sing songs about cats.
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BP:
If Biblically accurate angels were attacking the Earth and the only way to stop them was to pilot a giant robot made from the flesh of your deceased mother (with her soul trapped inside,) would you get in the robot?
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CE:
Of course. I’m not a monster.
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BP:
Which of your cats is your best boy/girl?
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CE:
Scully is a very underappreciated cat, and it’s because she’s not as friendly or entertaining as some others, but she’s the smallest and sweetest.
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BP:
If you were permanently transformed into a cat, would you accept your fate or try to find a way to reverse it?
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CE:
I’d be pretty upset. I’d first try to find a way to reverse it. But I would apparently fail if it’s permanent. So I’d have to accept my fate eventually. I hope I have a good situation.
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BP:
I’m excited to read your upcoming book Psychros. Why don’t you tell me a little bit about it?
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CE:
I’m excited about that one too. It’s like a Hexis that I wrote on purpose. The narrator’s boyfriend kills himself and she gets stuck in this expectation that she should be grieving but isn’t really. I don’t know if you’ve ever dated a suicidal person, but it’s not fun. By the time he dies, she’s pretty fucked off, and when he’s gone, she runs about town fucking everyone and getting more violent. There’s a lot about death and the intersection of grief and rage, but also just bloody horror and despair.
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BP:
Sounds like a bloody good time. Well, thank you for doing this, I really appreciate you taking the time.
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CE:
Thanks for having me!